Trump says Fed’s Powell will be out in 8 months, calls him a ‘numbskull’

Federal Reserve Board Chairman Jerome Powell listens during a hearing of the House Committee on Financial Services on Capitol Hill, Tuesday, June 24, 2025, in Washington. (AP Photo/Mark Schiefelbein)

U.S. Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell is a “numbskull” who has kept interest rates too high, but he will be out in eight months, U.S. President Donald Trump said at a news conference on Tuesday.

“I think he’s done a bad job, but he’s going to be out pretty soon anyway. In eight months, he’ll be out,” he said from a meeting at the White House with Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr.

Powell’s term as Fed chair runs through May 15, and he has repeatedly said he will not leave the post early. Eight months would mean Powell would remain in place until mid-March; it was not immediately clear why Trump picked that time frame.

Trump has been hammering at Powell for months for not cutting rates and has frequently raised the possibility of ousting him, while also saying that firing him would be “unlikely.”

Lately, the White House has intensified Trump’s pressure campaign, launching a review of the Fed’s renovation of two buildings in Washington which they say are inappropriately lavish and may not have followed planning protocols, charges that the Fed vigorously rejects. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent on Tuesday repeated his call for a “big internal investigation” of the Fed’s non-monetary policy operations.

Economists warn that efforts to push the Fed to loosen monetary policy could actually have the opposite effect.

They point to hyperinflation in countries from Argentina to Zimbabwe as examples of what can happen when politicians exert influence on central bank rate-setting. Some see evidence in financial markets that the Trump administration’s constant attacks on Powell are eroding confidence in the Fed’s ability to achieve its dual goals of price stability and maximum employment.

“Market participants seem to agree that the risk to Fed independence is rising,” Goldman Sachs economist Jan Hatzius wrote late on Monday, pointing to a rise in longer-term inflation expectations as captured in 5-year 5-year forward inflation swaps, which measure expected inflation over five years beginning five years out.

“A further increase could make Fed officials more reluctant to cut,” Hatzius said.

If inflation expectations rise, the thinking goes, actual inflation is likely to follow. Powell and other Fed officials believe that longer-term inflation expectations remain stable, but they say they are watching nearer-term measures closely, particularly with tariffs likely to increase upward price pressures as companies pass on more of the costs to consumers.

“Efforts by the administration to push the (Fed) into an accommodative monetary policy stance that would not be justified by macroeconomic conditions would likely backfire with higher long-term rates, higher inflation expectations, and ultimately the need for a tighter monetary policy stance,” Barclays economists wrote on Tuesday.

On Tuesday Trump repeated his view that the policy rate should be 3 percentage points lower than it is now.

The central bank’s policy-setting Federal Open Market Committee is nearly universally expected to leave the policy rate in its current range of 4.25%-4.50% when it meets next week, as policymakers wait to see how inflation and employment react to tariffs.

“Our economy is so strong now, blowing through everything. We’re setting records,” Trump said on Tuesday. “But you know what? People aren’t able to buy a house because this guy is a numbskull. He keeps the rates too high, and is probably doing it for political reasons.”

Mortgage rates had increased last year even as the Fed cut its policy rates by a total of 1 percentage point, tracking U.S. Treasury yields, which surged amid economic resilience and worries about Trump’s proposed policies.

Bessent, at the same meeting, raised a different complaint against the Fed.

“The Fed has had big mission creep, and that’s where a lot of the spending is going,” Bessent said. “That’s where, why they’re building these new, or refurbishing these buildings, and I think they have got to stay in their lane.”

(Reporting by Trevor Hunnicutt, Andrea Shalal, Michael S. Derby; writing by Maiya Keidan, Ann Saphir; Editing by Chizu Nomiyama and Leslie Adler)