Fireworks, then blood: Eaton Centre shooting victim speaks
Published Monday, June 25, 2012 9:58PM EDT
Last Updated Monday, June 25, 2012 11:34PM EDT
A 13-year-old boy had only been in Toronto’s Eaton Centre mall for a couple of minutes before a shooting killed two men and left the teenager with a gaping head wound.
In an exclusive interview with CTV’s Chief Anchor and Senior Editor Lisa LaFlamme, the boy said he had gone to the mall’s food court with his mother and sister after seeing a play.
“We were hardly even there for a couple of minutes. We had just sat down,” the teen said.
When asked what he remembers about the moment he was shot, he replied: “I just remember a few gun shots, and then I don’t remember much after that.”
The boy, his 15-year-old sister and his mother cannot be named due to a publication ban.
During the interview, they described the harrowing moments after a day out in the city turned into a waking nightmare.
It was shortly after 6 p.m. on Saturday, June 2, and the family had just watched a performance of the play “Bring It On.” They stopped at the mall to look at shoes and clothes before making their way to the food court.
The boy said he had wanted to go to A&W for chicken, which would have put them in a different part of the food court when the shots rang out. But they opted to go elsewhere.
The three were sitting beside each other when they heard the gunshots.
“They sound like ‘pop,’” the boy’s sister said of the shots.
“They sound like fireworks. And then, we heard the shots so we got down and people were screaming ‘duck’ and ‘get down’ and stuff.”
She said the family “didn’t even know he was shot. He just felt the wound and knew he was shot after that. You could see the whole wound. It was pretty big.”
The boy’s mother said “he didn’t drop, he seemed to be himself,” after he was hit. But once they realized he was shot, his sister quickly took charge.
“Well, my immediate reaction was to deal with it, not curl up in a ball and let other people deal with it,” she said. “I just wanted to do everything I could … because he’s really important to me. You just want to do everything you can.”
She and her mother moved the boy out of the open food court next to a wall and held a sweater to his head to stop the bleeding. The teen also asked her brother math questions to keep him alert, an idea she credits to “a lot of TV.”
While it was mere moments before paramedics arrived on the scene, the mother and sister began fearing for the boy’s life.
“He started to stiffen,” his mother said. “He started to pass out.”
The teen remembers the math questions, including “a few that I answered correctly,” and then very little as paramedics moved in.
“I think as soon as they moved in, we moved out,” the boy’s mother said.
“They took everything over. Moved quickly. I didn’t see. They moved us to the side so we didn’t see all the detail. There was a lot of stuff going on. There was a lot of people working on him. Obviously I was wondering at that point, ‘Is he still alive?’ That is what scared me the most. I didn’t really know.”
The teens’ mother credits her daughter with not only aiding her brother, but also keeping calm, to the point of remembering to collect all their bags and even her brother’s new shoes.
“It was heartbreaking to me that my 15-year-old has to have that sense of wherewithal and maturity,” she said. “It made me cry more -- ‘Oh my heavens she’s going to carry all the bags.’ She’s so alert, thinking of all of that.”
When the teen woke up in hospital, he found he was chained to the bed.
“I was chained so I didn’t pull the tubes out of my throat,” he said. “My first thought was that I had swelling all over this side of my head.”
The boy had surgery to remove part of his skull to clear out the bullet and shrapnel, as well as pieces of cracked bone.
The surgeon told the family afterward that had he not been brought to hospital so quickly, more blood would have built up on his brain and caused an aneurism.
Now, with a chunk of his skull removed, the boy has to wear a custom-made helmet when he walks or rides in a car. When the swelling goes down, doctors will re-attach the bone they removed.
The boy’s mother said she marvels at her son’s recovery, given that for two days after the shooting she wasn’t sure that he would live.
“It has shown me and all of us that, not in a bad way, that life is really holding on by a thread,” she said.
“The margin between something bad and something good is really small. That’s what really hits home about it. You’re just going through your life and wow in an instant … In an instant.”
The teen has a long road to recovery ahead. But when asked if he fears travelling to the city from his Greater Toronto Area home, he said no.
“I’m not scared to go into Toronto anymore,” he said. “I am kind of fine with that.”
The family said they were buoyed by the outpouring of support from across the country in the wake of the shooting, and are still figuring out how they will express their gratitude.
In the meantime, the family will get to visit the set of their favourite show, ‘Flashpoint,’ on Tuesday, after having lived through what to them felt like a real-life episode.
And they are focused on moving forward together as a family, and not on things they can’t control.
“People ask, ‘Aren’t you afraid to let your kids go do anything?’ I mean I was with them. If they had been alone at the Eaton Centre it would have still happened,” she said.
“From my perspective we try to keep pushing forward. Yes, I get a little feeling in my stomach when we’re in a crowded place. But it is not enough to stop living. That is really the message for people to take home … You do what you do because you’re there at the time. We’re just a regular Canadian family. There is nothing different or special about us.”
Read the full transcript:
Lisa LaFlamme – I won’t say your name. For the publication ban we won't say any of your names. But, tell me what it was like walking back into school.
Boy - I wanted to see all of my friends one last time because it was summer and school had already ended.
Sister - It was hard but you kind of need to move on with it. So yeah.
Lisa - That day at school at the graduation, did it feel like we're moving forward now?
Mom – Definitely. Even before that we were moving forward. As we saw (boy’s name) recovering and when anything like that happens, it's hard to think ahead until (boy’s name) was out of the woods. There was a 48-hour period where things could go either way. That was the hardest part. You really can't do anything else on that period than focus on (boy’s name) and what the doctors are saying. That is the hardest part.
Lisa - Tell me what you were doing that afternoon in Toronto. Before all of this happened, what were you doing?
Boy - We were going to see the play Bring It On. Then we went to the Eaton Centre to get lunch. Then we went to a shoe store to get shoes and a couple clothing stores and then we went down to get food. We were hardly even there for a couple of minutes. We had just sat down.
Lisa – And then what happened?
Boy - The shooter came down.
Lisa – What do you remember about that?
Boy – I just remember a few gun shots and then I don’t remember much after that.
Lisa – And what do you remember?
Sister - I remember it was a longer time than it felt. It was fast paced when we were there. It was kinda because you felt like people were trying to get out. It’s not that they weren’t trying to help us because some people were great. You just didn’t know where to look for help. It was very fast paced.
Lisa – So what happened? You’re in there. You’re beside your brother. Where were you standing?
Sister - I was sitting beside my brother. My mom was beside him too on the other side. We heard the gun shots go off. We weren’t sure what they were at first because they don’t sound like the gun shots in the movies. They sound like “pop.” They sound like fireworks. And then, we heard the shots so we got down and people were screaming “duck” and “get down” and stuff. We weren’t sure at first. We were pretty out on the open. He didn’t even know he was shot. He just felt the wound and knew he was shot after that. You could see the whole wound. It was pretty big.
Lisa - Where were you guys? Were you on the ground at this point?
Sister – Yeah, we were all on the ground.
Lisa - What was your immediate reaction when you knew your brother had been hit?
Sister - Well, my immediate reaction was to deal with it, not curl up in a ball and let other people deal with it. I just wanted to do everything I could … ‘Cuz like he’s really important to me. (Laughs). You just want to do everything you can.
Lisa – What were you able to do?
Sister – We had seen it off TV shows so we kinda knew roughly what to do. We got him back to the wall because we were in the open. We held my mother’s sweater to his head to stop the bleeding because yeah it was in his head. And, we also tried to keep him alert and awake. I was asking him math questions and my mom was trying to keep him alert so he didn’t doze off on us.
Lisa – How did you know to do that? You were 15!
Sister - A lot of TV I guess.
Lisa - Anything specific though that would give you this. It’s pretty amazing for a kid of 15 to know what to do.
Sister - We actually got if from our favourite show Flashpoint…
Lisa – Were you thinking ‘I’m on an episode of Flashpoint’? Tell me what was happening in your brain at that time.
Sister – It felt so surreal. It felt like an episode of Flashpoint. That’s what. We’ve heard comments about that too. It was really hard to believe.
Lisa – Who noticed it first that your son had been hit?
Mom – We were sitting at this table of three when we heard the shots. It just takes a minute for your mind to hear ‘ok are those bullets?’. As (girl's name) said people said get down, get down. When we looked down at … my son, we were sort of huddled together. We noticed some blood under his head. I said ‘(boy’s name) are you shot?’ Because even saying those words seem just unbelievable. My son has been shot! And he said ‘I don’t know.’ The bullet didn’t instantly (pause) He didn’t drop or anything. He seemed to be himself. As (boy’s name) said he put his hand up and felt the wound. (Daughter’s name) thank heavens was completely almost taking charge. Because my daughter was so calm we were able, I was able, to stay calm. All of us were able to stay calm. We started to move back. She was really strong. She’s stronger than me. My son is a lanky kid so we pulled him back. We started to put pressure on it. The one day I wore 2 shirts. I double up on shirts. I never do that because who wants to feel bulky. I did. I took one off and we wrapped it and started to work. For me, I was able to focus on (son’s name). My daughter was so calm. It all came together for that. Thanks heavens for EMS and police services getting there so quickly because we really were out of time by the time he arrived.
Lisa – How did you know that?
Mom – He started to stiffen. He started to pass out.
Sister – He was shaking. He went into shock too. He started to close his eye. There was a lot of blood. We didn’t know how much he could lose before he was really out.
Lisa - Do you remember your sister asking you math questions?
Boy - Yeah, I remember the math questions.
Lisa - Did you answer them correctly?
Boy - I remember a few that I answered correctly.
Lisa - And then what do you remember about fading or do you?
Boy - I just remember right after the math questions we were just out at that point.
Lisa - And then all of a sudden with all the chaos around you, you focus on the EMS moving in or what?
Mom – I think as soon as they moved in, we moved out. They took everything over. Moved quickly. I didn’t see. They moved us to the side so we didn’t see all the detail. There was a lot of stuff going on. There was a lot of people working on him. Obviously I was wondering at that point is he still alive. That is what scared me the most. I didn’t really know. There was a police officer assigned to (daughter’s name) and I to sit with us. We kept asking to get updates. It was hard because we knew we needed to stay to the side. The last thing they needed was us freaking out quite frankly. And I sat there and had this conversation going around. (Daughter’s name) was so great, she’d say ‘Mom don’t worry. We’re going to get through this. We’ll get through and we’ll deal with it.’ She’s keeping me calm. I’m saying ‘oh my heavens. She was a rock.’
Lisa – That’s really remarkable. You know that right? Did you have other experiences in your past that or did this surprise you your own strength?
Daughter - Not like this one. We have gotten over tough things in the past but this was so unbelievable. You hear about it but you never think it is going to happen to you.
Lisa - And you have lived every person’s nightmare. And as you say something you could never even imagine. Where do you think you found the strength?
Mom - A lot of people ask me that question. If you’re there and something is happening to your child you find the strength. The focus we do not want to lose him. (Daughter’s name) and that was the focus we were doing. I think my experience is different than my daughter’s. My hearing got really blurry. I wasn’t really conscious of a lot of things going on around us. It was really just tunnel vision for focusing. Willing him to keep on. Thinking in my mind how much can he bleed before it is too late and all of that stuff. That’s the focus. I saw the pictures afterwards of the pandemonium and people leaving and trampling and all of this. I had no concept that was going on. Even now it must be somewhere in my mind. But, I didn’t see any of that because I have no knowledge of that or hearing other things that were going around. I didn’t hear anything. I am happy. I think for whatever reason I was able to do that. To have my daughter in charge and telling people to call 9-1-1 and being very conscious of what was around us when I wasn’t conscious of what was around us. I said to my daughter after it was the team work. We were both sides of the coin. We were able to make it happen.
Lisa – You were also aware of the shoes. Tell me about that.
Sister - Ok so when we went shopping and before we went down (son’s name) got a new pair of Adidas shoes and they got all messed up and lost. One fell off and it was taken into evidence and the other was all bloody and destroyed and lost. So (Ontario Premier) Dalton McGuinty came in and gave him the same pair of shoes.
Lisa - But you saw those shoes sitting there at the Eaton Centre food court.
Sister – I grabbed them. (Laughs). We were grabbing all of our shopping bags. The other was on them. It was going on the ambulance with him so we weren’t sure what happened to it after. We had one. He had just got those new at the mall.
Mom – Not only did she go to grab the shoes, but we’re sitting there. She had blood all over her. I have it in my face and in my hair. And, I’m crying. (Daughter’s name) was going, ‘Don’t worry mom I’m going to go get our stuff.’ Our stuff was out there a little ways. And she goes ‘sit here’ and the police officer was there. She goes and grabs the shoe, grabs the bag. She said, ‘Don’t worry I’m going to carry everything.’ So the standing joke in the house is that when we shop I’m like her personal assistance. I carry all the bags. She says, ‘Don’t worry I’m going to carry it all.’ It was heartbreaking to me that my 15 year old has to have that sense of wherewithal and maturity. It made me cry more. Oh my heavens she’s going to carry all the bags. She’s so alert and thinking of all of that.
Lisa - The whole country galvanized behind you. The whole country was praying for you. What does that feel like to know that everyone is aware of your experience and praying for your survival?
Boy - I didn’t feel all that special until my parents told me people were sending my cards saying things. I don’t know.
Lisa - Was it something that when you came back to Toronto that it was always on your mind or place it in your head that experience?
Boy - I’m not scared to go into Toronto anymore. I am kinda fine with that. I’m not scared to go into Toronto. I don’t think about it if we’re going in going shopping or anything.
Lisa - It sort of doesn’t come back to you when you think about it? What about that experience in the hospital when you woke up.
Boy – I was chained to the bed and I had tubes . I was chained so I didn’t pull the tubes out of my throat. My first thought was that I had swelling all over this side of my head. My eye was itchy so while my hands were strapped to the bed I was trying to go like this and pointing to my eye.
Lisa - Because you couldn’t speak. I hear you also wanted to know what happened. How do you communicate with your family to find out what had happened to you?
Boy - My dad was in the room at the time. I was going like this [makes gun action with hand] and pointing to myself. He said, ‘Yeah, you were shot.’
Lisa – you remember hearing the shot and the pop... and the blood
Boy - Yeah I remember feeling a warm feeling all over my head.
Lisa – What do you feel like now? Let’s talk about the helmet. Do you always have to wear it? What’s that like?
Boy - I only have to where it when I’m up and moving or in a car or a vehicle. It feels fine because they molded it directly to my head.
Lisa – When you went back to the school, were you nervous about anyone coming near you or wanting to hold you that it would hurt you?
Boy - Not really.
Mom - I was nervous. I was very nervous.
Lisa – I can imagine. But now you’re used to it?
Boy – Yup.
Lisa – What is the next phase for you medically?
Boy - I have to go back into the hospital. I have to see if I’m ready if the swelling has gone down enough to put the bone back in. After that I have to wait two weeks. I have to go in for a scan or something to make sure the bone is fusing back with the other bone and if not we have to do something else.
Lisa- You’ve actually become pretty knowledgeable of the science behind all of this. So tomorrow you don’t know yet how quickly before you can do this surgery. Tomorrow is another big day the experience will be meeting the characters of a show you love so much Flashpoint.
Boy - We’re going to the Flashpoint set tomorrow to meet all the characters and watch it all come together.
Lisa – Does it seem strange all the events that are coming together because of this shooting?
Boy - I don’t feel much like a celebrity. I didn’t really see how I became a celebrity. But…
Lisa - How about bravery?
Boy - I don’t know. I was passed out half the time. I didn’t really do anything. (Laughs).
Lisa – That really is an incredible thing to say. This is really an incredible thing to see where you are this few weeks later.
Mom – Yeah, even when I look. One of the first things we did was start taking questions because (son’s name) said I want this scrap book for my friends. When I look at the pictures of when he first came up from the operating room and a week later leaving the hospital I was floored. When I was looking through the album today I though that’s unbelievable in the space of seven days he went from that to being able to walk out of the hospital with his helmet on. You really just never know. Just like we didn’t know when we walked into the Eaton centre that this was going to happen. It has shown me and all of us, that not in a bad way, that life is really holding on by a thread. The margin between something bad and something good is really small. That’s what really hits home about it. You’re just going through your life and wow in an instant … In an instant.
Lisa – This really is a defining moment of your life. I wonder what it does to you inside that your son and family are the poster child now of a lot of people see as the violent streets of Toronto.
Mom – And again, it’s interesting because we don’t think about it in those terms. For us, sure we were in a really bad spot. But everything that has helped since he was shot, since that instance, is unbelievable. The fact that police services went in just as the bullets were being fired. So they entered the building not knowing what was going on. When I think back to some of the first police officers we saw and my daughter and I were going my son has been shot. He’s only 13. They were radioing ahead to get help. When I remember looking in their eyes and seeing that bewilderment. Not fear. They didn’t even know what was going on. So when the first responders went into the building other than shots fired. They didn’t know what was going down. For me, it’s just amazing to me they did everything quickly and correctly. Thank heavens for Sick Kids. Thank goodness we were close to Sick Kids. He was literally being operated on a few hours after the bullet was going in. As we know with head trauma the first few hours are critical. Neurosurgeons were there on a Saturday night. The operation was immediate. Every step of the way. It was the culmination of efforts that really saved his life. There is no doubt in my mind that just one thing just not moving as quickly as it did or those folks being so practiced at what they do. He had no time. His neurosurgeon said that there would have been so much blood built up in his brain that it would have caused an aneurism. We’re so thankful of that. Thankful that we were in the city. Thankful that the services in the city were much different.
Lisa – So you’re saying what? That coming from a small town…
Mom – I’ve always lived in the 905 area in the GTA area. You don’t get anywhere as quickly. They just don’t have the same type of service. I’m not an expert in the topic but the experience level is different in the city. He was saved by the city of Toronto. My daughter during the week, I don’t know what day it was. The media had misreported on that. For an extra special treat, I gave her my debit card -- I know it was risky -- giving her my debit card and saying you go out and go shopping on Queen street. That’s what they did. There is no -- the whole “We’ll never coming into Toronto again” … we don’t see it that way. We focus on (Boy’s name) doing well. Let’s focus on (boy’s name). We rarely think about it in any other way. I’m not speaking for anybody else. But that is the way I see it.
Lisa - Do you ever think about the gunman?
Boy - Not really. I’m not really scared of anything. I’m not scared to go into Toronto anymore.
Lisa – What about you. Do you think about the gunman?
Sister - Honestly? No. That’s the world and you can’t change it really. You can’t live your life in fear or that’s not going to be a very good life. I don’t really think about it like that.
Lisa – And there is no bitterness at all so it seems?
Mom – I wish the world was a better place. I wish this type of thing didn’t have to happen. I don’t think it is a straightforward problem. I think there are a lot of things that have to take place. There are people carrying guns that use them in all the major cities. It is not an easy problem to solve. There are a lot of people looking at that and trying to find ways to solve that. For us to focus too much on that and live -- that is such a bad use of your emotions in my view to focus on that. It’s out of our control. What is in our control is our focus on being a family and not being afraid. People ask, ‘Aren’t you afraid to let your kids go do anything?’ I mean I was with them. If they had been alone at the Eaton Centre it would have still happened. From my perspective we try to keep pushing forward. Yes, I get a little feeling in my stomach when we’re in a crowded place. But it is not enough to stop living. That is really the message for people to take home. I think if this had happened to another family there would have been a similar reaction. You do what you do because you’re there at the time. We’re just a regular Canadian family. There is nothing different or special about us.
Lisa – Except that you know in the city of Toronto that the Eaton Centre shooting will forever now be part of the fabric of this city and you’re now part of that. Is there anything you do with that? Become advocates against gun violence? Or, what is your view on that.
Mom – We haven’t really talked about that this until now. One of the reasons is that we didn’t want it to be that way for us. We’re talking about it now because we want to thank everybody. The one thing I’ll tell you is when we were reading in the newspaper someone writing a column saying our hearts go out to the family. As a mother I never felt alone. In the hospital with the fact that heaven forbid my son doesn’t make it, I never felt alone. I always felt there were so many people – the people we work with, people in the city who really were rooting for us. If I wasn’t this mom and I was the mom sitting at home reading about this, I would think I really hope for that kid to make it. For me that whole group positive thought – really – I felt it. I felt it and I never felt alone because of it. It really makes a difference in the outcome. In the perspective and positiveness people had for (boy’s name). As a family, we’ll take a look at it and maybe we should do more to open our eyes to helping people in situations of these things don’t have to happen at all. That is where this really has to happen for people who aren’t as lucky, aren’t as privileged, aren’t as whatever so they don’t get in these situations to carry a gun at the Eaton Centre. But right now it’s a little busy with (boy’s name), the hospital and careers going on. I feel connected to Toronto. I appreciate all the thoughts from all the moms and all of the families across the country because I felt it sitting in that hospital for sure.
Lisa – Was it weird for you to be at the centre after your dad showed you the pictures and front page of the paper and saw on television. What did you think of that shot of you on a gurney being raced to hospital on an ambulance.
Mom – What was your first thought of what was showing in that picture?
Boy - On yeah I was in my underwear and I was kinda worried that pictures of me and my underwear was on the news.
Lisa - And one shoe. It truly is amazing. What now for you for the summer? You’re going to be wearing this helmet. How do you think in a couple of months you’ll be back to your sports or are you sort of frustrated at all?
Boy - Oh yeah I want to go outside and do stuff but I can’t. After my surgery I just have to wait until the doctors say I can.
Lisa - I want you to tell me some of the stickers on the helmet.
Boy – We got this sticker custom made. It’s my nickname. This “we should have had the chicken” sticker. In the food court, we were still deciding what place we wanted to get. I wanted to go to A&W to get the chicken but we decided no and went elsewhere. That is the thing if we had the chicken we would have been in a different spot.
Lisa - You are kidding me. So if you had the chicken then none of this would have happened. Where did you find this?
Boy – My dad has a friend who is a graphic designer. He made these for me. This one that says I ate at the food court and survived.
Lisa – I want you to explain what was done.
Boy - The bullet went in there somewhere. They had to cut all the bone down to my ear and up around here because there was shrapnel and the bone was cracked and stuff. They took out all of that. They took out the bullet. They had to cut open that part and stitched it back together. The stitches all dissolved.
Lisa – After your surgery your hair will grow? Incredible, no scarring at all.
Mom –That was one thing at the hospital. Apparently the bullet coming in was like a huge concussion a huge blunt force. Two or three days later he looked worse. His whole face swollen up like you got hit in a fight. When you hit in a fight your eyes get blunt. They kept saying 2-3 days later he’ll look a lot worse. Then 2-3 days later it was gone. He was healing so fast. It was just amazing.
Lisa - When in the house do you need the helmet?
Mom – I worry about this much of the time. He has brain and then scalp. It is like a huge soft spot. Even if he was to walk or stumble and not hit something his brain will move and it’s the reaction back. The helmet is custom made to hold all in the place. We all drive him crazy by saying get the helmet on any time he moves from point A to point B. That’s the scary part. That’s the part of the operation we hope is sooner than later that we can all rest a bit easier because he’ll have a bone back in his head.
Lisa - When do you think that might be?
Mom - It could be as next week or a few weeks out. His doctor is whatever. If he deems it a good time that’s when we’ll doing. He wants to ensure the swelling has all gone down.
Lisa – These shoes what’s the deal with them? Why did you want them that day?
Boy – I just saw them on a commercial and I wanted them.
Lisa - They’re memorable. Now more than ever. What was it like meeting the premier.
Boy - It was good.
Lisa – Especially since he had a box of your favourite shoes.
Mom – We really respected it. He called as a father. He came as a father. We expected that was the point.
Boy - We got the one in evidence back a few days ago and the other my sister grabbed.
Mom - For the first few days it’s like a video that never stops in your mind. For me it plays over and over again. It’s amazing of minute details pre-event that you become. Little things like looking at my watch. Walking down the escalator in more detail than I’d remember ever.
Lisa - What time was it?
Mom - 6:15 and I would never have thought about that. I would never think about that. When something happens like this your mind goes over it a million times. All of the circumstances around it. When we bought the shoes and (son’s name) says give me my shoes I want to put them on. I said (son’s name), I said be careful we are downtown and those shoes are popular. Maybe someone will want those shoes. Not really thinking there was going to be a bad situation. I find myself now thinking it’s odd that I said that. My mind says it goes through every single second of the time.
Lisa - You said one of the paramedics you had a conversation with reminded you… Tell me what happened.
Mom – One of the very first people who came to us was a woman. We found out. We didn’t know this at the time. She was significant. She was the first responder. Her and her partner. She’s the one we said we need help he’s 13 and he’s been shot in the head. I didn’t know this at the time. Somehow she radioed ahead and said we need help down here. I think that is one of the reasons that we got help so quickly to (son’s name). She came with the partner to the hospital to see (son’s name) like many of them did. My daughter and I said, “Oh wow you remind us of Jules from Flashpoint.” ... We said, “You’re kidding, right.” The whole flashpoint saga was with us from the begging. Even when (daughter’s name) and all were thinking about what do we do. In desperate time random thoughts go through your mind. I was like that is the museum episode in Flashpoint where there was a random shooter. Even at those times your brain tries to rationalize what’s happening. (Daughter’s name) was having similar thoughts and we both said guys we’re thinking back and multiple reasons for what do we do. How long can we bleed? It’s a random shooter – do we need to do more to protect ourselves? Since we watch it once a day we have all of this information at our disposal that we never thought we’d need but it is nice to have.
Lisa – Is there anything else you want to say about this experience? You’ve really been so eloquent about what happened. It’s affected your family. Is there anything I haven’t asked you that you want too.
Mom – I just want to thank everyone who was involved in (boy’s name)’s care and recovery. And the team of neurosurgeons and the whole experience at Sick kids. They’re so protective of their patients. We really felt we were being covered and protected. Heartfelt thanks out to everyone.
Lisa - What about you? The hospital staff and what was it like being in the hospital that well…
Boy - It was nice being in the hospital. We’re still deciding what to do. We want to do something for everyone to help out. We’re still deciding what to do to thank everyone for their idea.
Lisa – And what about you and your baby brother going through this.
Sister - I would just like to say like my mom said to thank everyone and all the messages I got and the support we had. Everyone who has been involved. (Boy’s name) has just been amazing.
Lisa - Do you think it has made you stronger?
Sister - Yeah and I think it made us closer too. It’s not like we weren’t close before. It has made us stronger. We can withstand enough.
Boy - I just want to thank everyone for all the support they’ve given us.
Lisa – I want to thank all of us also for speaking to all of us. It was a powerful story. You really are an example that we can all learn from.